The one that got away

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Re: The one that got away

Post by Matt Flynn » Sun Mar 22, 2020 4:35 am

That's a good article.

What's doing my head in is the Australian Government advice that you don't need to wear a mask in public. They are trying to stop demand for masks so medics can get them, but they went about it the wrong way.

In Japan they've got schoolkids making masks. A home-made mask is better than nothing and could make a huge difference to the final infection figures.

Some people who wear masks in public in Sydney are even being hassled for it.



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Re: The one that got away

Post by ronje » Thu Mar 26, 2020 7:43 pm

In respect of the powers of the Aus Govt, the Feds have no power to deal with health or health related matters.

Shades of the Murray Darling Basin Plan where the Feds had to cobble together an agreement that the States involved all agreed to. That's turned out to be a real mess with some States threatening to pull out of the agreement.

Poor old ScoMo has run into the very same problem with Covid 19.

ScoMo has no direct power to do much at all and so has formed the "National Cabinet" trying to cobble together an agreement about uniform action to be taken by all States.

State premiers all nod wisely and agree with ScoMO because ScoMo has the money.

The Feds have now committed about $80 billion to compensation and warding off recession, unemployment etc. That's already been announced.

So the Feds cannot now threaten to hold the money back.

The premiers (after nodding wisely and agreeing with common actions at ScoMo's national cabinet meetings) now have been changing/modifying what they had agreed to when in Canberra.

Facing home criticism of actions agreed to at those meetings, a number of premiers have changed/relaxed some of those actions agreed to.

Under the Aus Constitution, the premiers are entitled to do that as they are the ones that hold the legislative tools to enforce the agreed actions.

ScoMo just has the money and little in the way of direct methods of enforcing the actions.

Over the last week or so, the State premiers have been becoming more and more vocal about unhappiness with the Feds input.

eg closure of schools etc

ScoMo's plan is starting to unravel as the lockdown measures start to intrude more and more on the lives of the community.

So different states have different lockdown measures in place and what commentary one hears/sees or reads applies to different states.

No wonder there's so much confusion about what measures actually apply in each state 'cos they're all different.

So that's where it stands at the moment.

I hope that the desire to see this thing through to the end remains strong and the Aus community pulls together to get through this but I'm hopeful rather than confident about that.

2 different state actions stand out though.

The unbelievable actions of the NSW Health Dept to allow ALL of the passengers of the Ruby Princess (some with the virus) to disembark and disburse all over the country.

One a positive note, the WA govt has nominated Rottnest I as a isolation venue for the Aus passengers on a crusie ship Vasco De Gama to undergo their isolation period.

Isolation on an island is a good idea and should be promoted as a national venue.

I'd like to recommend that Tasmania be nominated as a isolation venue for ALL of Aus's returning citizens and permanent residents.
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Re: The one that got away

Post by NinjaFish » Fri Mar 27, 2020 1:02 pm

Ouch.
I can see the reply already.
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Re: The one that got away

Post by NinjaFish » Mon Mar 30, 2020 11:53 am

The truth might be out there!

You can view this even without having an account.

https://www.facebook.com/10000241656143 ... 38131/?d=n

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Re: The one that got away

Post by Matt Flynn » Mon Mar 30, 2020 7:19 pm

I don't think that story is likely, although investors will be circling like sharks everywhere.

Far more likely that a door at their Wuhan research facility fell off, or some-such (metaphorically speaking).

That said, eating bats is asking for trouble. And look at what comes out of Australian flying foxes, hendra virus etc.

What blows me away is how Trump has bungled the handling of this ... and he is as popular as ever. Unbelievable.

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Post by ronje » Tue Mar 31, 2020 6:28 am

One of a number of conspiracy theories floating around.

I see that to ward off any attempts by the "circling sharks" interested in buying fire-sale bargain Aus companies, ALL takeover proposals will now have to be reviewed personally by Treasurer Freidenberg. Normally such proposals were looked at by the Foreign Investment Review Board (FIRB).

There are quite a number of foreign companies that already own or have taken over Aus companies. Wonder how those arrangements will fit into the Govt's thinking.

Govt just announced a $130 billion of assistance to ward off mass unemployment in Aus so its (we) not interested in any of that money ending up in the hands of opportunistic foreign companies.

Trump is a flashy buffoon who is used to getting his own way 'cos he owns "the company" so he must be right about things. His operating style is to exude confidence rather than hesitancy.

As a result he ends up confidently wrong about a lot of issues and he's not used to being told that he's wrong.

Not a particularly smart way to operate but US residents looking for a leader have been clutching at any straw and are prepared to be remarkably forgiving if they find one who even remotely looks like a leader.

That's what confidence can do in a bullshit society.
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Re: The one that got away

Post by ronje » Sun Apr 05, 2020 10:55 am

For info

Current state of play (4th April) with the "Great Chinese Unmentionable".

Active cases = Reported - recovered - deaths.
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Re: The one that got away

Post by Matt Flynn » Wed Apr 15, 2020 11:48 am

USA just reported 6000 deaths in a day, 4000 in New York.

NT is bl..dy lucky so far.

Big outbreak in Tasmania in the north-west.
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Re: The one that got away

Post by Matt Flynn » Thu May 14, 2020 9:03 am

China doesn't want an investigation ... https://www.news.com.au/finance/economy ... b299101d9f

If they had nothing to hide they wouldn't care.

Meanwhile, www.worldometer.com COVID case numbers attached, China, one of the world's most populous countries, says it has seven new cases.
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Re: The one that got away

Post by ronje » Thu May 14, 2020 10:10 am

Its all about control.

Aus is having a taste of a socialist system of govt although its being delivered by a "benevolent dictator".

Some more controlling policies are being put in place in genuine efforts to fight the virus's spread.

However, one should note the reactions of some of the state leaders to transgressions of the "rules".

Some utterances by these leaders reveal just how close Aus has come to true socialism and dictatorships.
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Re: The one that got away

Post by NinjaFish » Tue Jun 23, 2020 12:58 pm

Now that’s perspective.

Probably a good Ad for the telly.

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Re: The one that got away

Post by Matt Flynn » Wed Jun 24, 2020 3:47 am

From a recent paper: "Bioaccumulation of the SARS-CoV-2 virus by molluscs and other aquatic organisms may occur as bivalves are known to accumulate waterborne viruses including hepatitis, norovirus and avian influenza. Multiple cetaceans have very high ACE2 similarity to humans making them susceptible to SARS-CoV-2 infection including harbor porpoises, bottle nosed dolphins, minke whales, orca and pilot whales. Of particular concern are whales whose throats are exposed to large volumes of water during feeding and who visit coastlines for prey that are known to accumulate around sewage outfalls, such as minke whales feeding on mackerel or orca feeding on chinook salmon. In these instances, the animal could be exposed to a large viral dose, even if the virus is only present within the water in low concentrations. For example, if the riverine viral concentration is low at 1 copie ml-1, which is undetectable by PCR (detection limit is >100 copies ml-1), then a medium sized whale filtering water during feeding could receive repeated doses of 5.65 million copies every second (see methods for calculation). A seafood market is among the suspected sources for the origin of the SARS-CoV-2 virus, so any viral transmission from land to sea may be a circular process."

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101 ... 20133504v1

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