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There are legal directions issued by the NT Chief Health Officer and they can be found here:
https://coronavirus.nt.gov.au/chief-hea ... directions

There are 6 of them and a new number is issued each time an existing direction is updated. The directions are legally enforceable.


To support those directions, the NT Health Dept has listed a series of ADVICES and they can be found here:

https://coronavirus.nt.gov.au/community-advice

They are ADVICE/information/explanation only.

There's a lot of talk about 1.5 metres social distancing.

Everybody thinks its law but its not. Simply advice. Ditto in Qld.

Read the post the other day about the relationship between the Federal Govt and the States/Territories about health issues. The States have the powers to regulate health. The Federal Govt doesn't (similar to the Murray Darling Basin Plan).

That's why ALL the Covid-19 laws in each state are slightly different.

If it ain't subject to a Chief Health Officer Direction then its not a regulated activity

Fishing in the NT only gets a mention in respect of remote communities (which are closed) anyway.

If you don't have to travel through a remote community, then its business as usual.


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Thanks Ronje. Nice work.
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That's OK, Capn.

The bureaucrats all think that everybody knows how the wheels of bureaucracy turn. Its so simple to them 'cos they work, live and breathe it.

But not everybody DOES know. Why should they? They trust the bureaucrats.

Then misinformation rules and confusion is widespread mostly by people who Joe Public thinks should know but don't either and who resort to being confidently wrong.

Threw a line in yesterday on close-in coast for 4 blue salmon in the mid 60s, a fingermark (golden snapper to you guys), 4 gold spot cod 4-50cm and a great day on the water.

On Wed in river dropped a BIG king threadfin and got a barra @ 92cm. Didn't put the barra in the comp as (being new) I hadn't taken a local newspaper.

All of the fish were on soft vibes except the barra. It was on my shallow Rapala fluro green and fluro red home-made paint scheme for dirty water.
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You can't maintain social distancing in a boat, At some stage your gonna get Toooo close.
Why risk it :bonk:
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Social distancing and isolation can also have its problems.
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jeffish wrote: Sat Apr 04, 2020 6:41 am You can't maintain social distancing in a boat, At some stage your gonna get Toooo close.
Why risk it :bonk:
As Jeffish says, bit hard to maintain the recommended 1.5m in a tinnie isn't it.

Cruise boats are much bigger than our tinnies and you'd think 1.5m would be much easier to maintain. Look what's happened with big cruise boats.

Came across a decent sized boat yesterday at close-in inshore reef. A Bar Chrusher of about 6 m.

Dad and his 2 kids plus 3 other neighbour hood kids making 6 all up. Neighbours had asked Dad to take all the stircrazy kids out to get them out of houses. Dad didn't throw a line in but spent all of his time trying to keep kids separated as much as possible.

1.5m is commonsense advice and a good idea to follow as best you can to avoid unnecessary risk.
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It is going to be a logistical nightmare to police it.
For those that are fortunate enough to have a boat and go out.
Let us know how many are abiding by these rules. Especially at the ramps away from the city.
In the city it is pretty easy to get around it anyway after you launch at the boat ramp.
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ronje wrote: Fri Apr 03, 2020 7:53 pm There are legal directions issued by the NT Chief Health Officer and they can be found here:
https://coronavirus.nt.gov.au/chief-hea ... directions

There are 6 of them and a new number is issued each time an existing direction is updated. The directions are legally enforceable.


To support those directions, the NT Health Dept has listed a series of ADVICES and they can be found here:

https://coronavirus.nt.gov.au/community-advice

They are ADVICE/information/explanation only.

There's a lot of talk about 1.5 metres social distancing.

Everybody thinks its law but its not. Simply advice. Ditto in Qld.

Read the post the other day about the relationship between the Federal Govt and the States/Territories about health issues. The States have the powers to regulate health. The Federal Govt doesn't (similar to the Murray Darling Basin Plan).

That's why ALL the Covid-19 laws in each state are slightly different.

If it ain't subject to a Chief Health Officer Direction then its not a regulated activity

Fishing in the NT only gets a mention in respect of remote communities (which are closed) anyway.

If you don't have to travel through a remote community, then its business as usual.
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ronje wrote: Sat Apr 04, 2020 6:45 am Social distancing and isolation can also have its problems.

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ronje wrote: Sat Apr 04, 2020 6:45 am Social distancing and isolation can also have its problems.

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Time to hide the spade :rofl: :lolpoint:
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Here's an ABC story on the various states' rules on fishing and COVID ... https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-04-04/ ... d/12117582
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Exactly, Matt. Just like how the states have tied up the Feds attempts with the Murray Darling Basin plan.

The CHOs in each state have different ways of making Health Directions and different ideas on what's enforceable and what's not.

In addition, each state has an obligation to test what it wants to do against the International Convention of Human Rights which Aus has signed up to. If what they want to do fails the Human Rights obligatory test, then they can't introduce it.

Governing by Health Direction falls under Governing by Regulation and NOT by Governing by Legislation which is the basis of democracy.

Gov by Regulation means that the proposed govt directive actions are not overseen by parliament and therefore can only be for certain periods of time. That's why ALL of the directions by each of the States have expiry dates.

You will not find a Health Directive listed by the Fed Govt 'cos they can' issue them. The labor opposition
wants the PM to have the parliament sit from time to time to examine other stuff that ScMo's doing by regulation and fair enough.

To govern by regulation is Phillipines style, or Iran or Syrian style, Singaporean or Chinese style or Venezuela style.

What the ABC said about Qld Covid-19 Chief Health Officers Direction about fishing wasn't correct though.

The General Manager of Transport Qld whose Dept oversees maritime safety took it upon himself to apply his
own interpretation of the Qld CHO directions by announcing publicy that his Dept would be enforcing fishing
bans and boating bans. S..t for brains. Didn't take long for him to retire from legislative interpretation and do a backflip.

Following immediate and hostile public backlash, Minister for Transport intervened publicly and reversed the GM's plans. Minister not happy about having to do that.

In Qld, rec fishers CAN indeed fish as they are obtaining food (obtaining food is an exempt activity under the
"stay at home" directions).

Different to other states although Qld also nominates (as many States did) engaging in exercise as an
exemption due to the physical activities involved in fishing (or maybe doing push-ups in a boat??).

You guys can look for these things yourselves and make up your own minds if things get confused again (now that you know where to look and the background on what its all about). Its a good starting point anyway.
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Saving everyone’s ass.
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Turns out in this case the jackasses are the likes of the NSW health bureaucracy - going fishing in your 6mtr boat with a well known mate (meaning you know their recent movements and may have quite 'legally' had them over for a beer last night) seems to pale to insignificance ....
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