Is the record Arctic ice melt a concern?

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This year's record Arctic ice melt is ...

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Re: Is the record Arctic ice melt a concern?

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olfart wrote:Ben, Everyone knows what a Zealot is...It's a COLLINGOOD Supporter. :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :P
I thought it was someone who visited New ZEALand a lot.

Hey Matt, i thought the ozone hole was all fixed up. oopps
looks like it was shortlived. http://ozonewatch.gsfc.nasa.gov/
I saw a show recently that said there was no way the ozone from the nth hemisphere couldnt make it across the equator and down to the antartic. It was very believable until it was shown to be a bogus story,
The ozone hole is alive and well -


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olfart wrote:Ben, Everyone knows what a Zealot is...It's a COLLINGOOD Supporter. :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :P
Haha, Does a Zealot have a full set of teeth? if not then you might be on the something:lol: :lol: :lol:
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Nah, that's a Cat's supporter who lost em chewin on the leg of a Bulldog. :wink:
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ronje wrote:I think there is some confusion about climate change.

The climate has been changing for millions/billions of years.

Its caused ichange to the creatures that live on the earth (dinosauars disappearing, mankind appearing), changes in oceans (some disappeared. New ones formed).

Earth temperatures.

The real debate seems to be over the causes. Are changes that mankind can measure i(n the very limited time that we've been on the earth) been caused by or exacerbated by anything that man has done? Or are the changes natural?
Regarding the longer term changes in climate there are many influences, I would suggest you research these for yourself. But these are things like movement of land masses causing changes to circulation patterns that cause changes over long time periods. From the limited research I have done the climate was relatively stable for at least 800 years before the industrial age began about 200 years ago and we began pumping CO2 into the atmosphere. From then on it has been heating up. Given it is a scientifically known fact that C02 is a greenhouse gas, it is no surprise that the IPCC made a clear statement that humans were almost certainly to blame for the recent warming.

Be clear on one thing - when concluding that it was human related activities that were to blame for global warming, everything imaginable was taken into account! They didn't just forget to take into account volcanoes or variation in sun output or whatever. They were thorough in their investigations - you don't get to be a top scientist by forgetting to take into account variables. So next time someone gets up and says something like 'but what about this natural xxxx', in all likelihood it has already been investigated by the experts and found not to be significant.
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How could it have been investigated if it happened before man kind or before all this stuff was recorded ?? I'm still sticking with its one big cycle ;) based on nothing at all just what I think and I'm a pretty uneducated fella :)
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DOUG wrote:How could it have been investigated if it happened before man kind or before all this stuff was recorded ?? :)
A detailed answer to that question is beyond the scope of a forum post. But take ice cores as an example, which give scientists an opportunity to study the atmospheric conditions dating back up to 800,000 years. Material deposited in the snow of each year remain in the ice, such as wind-blown dust, ash, bubbles of atmospheric gas and radioactive substances and enable analysis of volcanic eruptions and solar variability amongst other things.
DOUG wrote:I'm still sticking with its one big cycle ;) based on nothing at all just what I think and I'm a pretty uneducated fella :)
By saying this, you are saying that you think the experts in the field are wrong, even while you admit to being uneducated on the issue. Given that the scientists are unbiased - they're not paid to push particular views but instead to come up with theories based on evidence, and the evidence is overwhelming - why would you trust what you say is your your own uneducated views over those views formed by the experts who have researched and understand earth's climate and its processes? You'd trust a doctor who told you that you had early stages of cancer, even if you felt fine, no? To my way of thinking, if I'm going to contradict an expert on any topic, I will be sure to have done my research first. But I guess that comes from having a science background :wink:

Also, do you think its impossible for humans to speed up a natural cycle, or to push a natural cycle to more extremes than it would naturally go? Or even just begin a new warming cycle during what would have otherwise been a stable period? If its impossible, why? The fact is, past climate change doesn't tell us that humans can't influence climate; on the contrary, it tells us that climate is highly sensitive to the greenhouse warming we're now causing.
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Hi Queasy

800,000 years eh? Seems about as long as we've had to put up with Juliar Gillard's mob.

So the science is settled is it? Now where did I hear that before? Would it have been Juliar? Now there's credibility. If she supports that scientific view its no wonder there's scepticism.

Christopher Colombus heard it. The science is settled. The earth is definitely flat because... because.... by the eminent scientists of the day.

We all heard it in Dec 1999. The technical devices that drive society will cause massive disruption to computer driven facilities at midnight on 31st December 1999. The Y2K bug. That cost society massive amounts of un-necessary expenditure and concern.

There might be great respect within the scientific community for the various views held by various scientists. But that doesn't extend into the general community no matter how many letters of the alphabet are involved.

The problem the scientific community now faces is credibility. People no longer trust the scientific community. Which expert should be listened to?

If even the experts can't agree on something how can the community?
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The last part of my comment is where it was stated I know nothing on the topic it is just what I think ;) as in a joke :)
Like I said before I watch a few docos on austar and there is always different theories on all of this stuff that's why I just choose to believe what I do no science or even intelligence in my opinion just a thought I have hahahahah
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ronje wrote:The Y2K bug. That cost society massive amounts of un-necessary expenditure and concern.
Ron, did you get your computers protected for the yk2 bug or did you risk it?
climate change is much more important than killing a few computers
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Whats Juliar Gillian got to do with the science behind climate change?
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ronje wrote:Christopher Colombus heard it. The science is settled. The earth is definitely flat because... because.... by the eminent scientists of the day.
Ronje, you are peddling rubbish.

As far back as 1945, Members of the Historical Association stated that "The idea that educated men at the time of Columbus believed that the earth was flat, and that this belief was one of the obstacles to be overcome by Columbus before he could get his project sanctioned, remains one of the hardiest errors in teaching."

Have a read of this, its only Wikipedia, but a more reliable source than your garbage. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myth_of_the_Flat_Earth
ronje wrote:If even the experts can't agree on something how can the community?
That I would agree with if it were true. But again, it is rubbish.
Have a read of this: http://content.usatoday.com/communities ... e-change/1

There is a strong consensus, with 97% of experts in the field in agreement. Apparently with the 3% in disagreement, their average expertise was far below that of their colleagues, as measured by publication and citation rates. Do you need every last scientist to be in total agreement, even the one who started on the job yesterday, before you believe something they say?

As I stated earlier, the more people get educated on the issue and come to have a better understanding of it, the less skeptical the become.

You brought politics into it. Unfortunately while people have a bumper sticker on their V8 car which says "I'M UNEDUCATED AND I VOTE", I suspect very little will be done to address the very serious issue of climate change.
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Believe half of what you see and none of what you hear..
Do you really think all the struttin and puffin by anyone on this forum will make a bee's dick of difference??.
We'll all be long gone and dust before anyone even comes close to working it out.
I reckon gettin in a frenzy about something that may, or may not happen, is a pretty good way to dig an early grave.
When they ban baked beans, I'll figure we could be in strife.
Till then, I'll get on with living in the here and now.
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"Doesn't mean you get any smarter..just wrinkled and cracked".

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great now ya made me go and do a google search on something im not to interested in
and this is the first topic i came across hahahha see what you made me go and do queasy :rofl: :rofl:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142 ... 21366.html
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DOUG wrote:great now ya made me go and do a google search on something im not to interested in
and this is the first topic i came across hahahha see what you made me go and do queasy :rofl: :rofl:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142 ... 21366.html
Yeah, you wasting my tiime too :banghead:
While you're always going to be able to find an alternative view, the one you linked to is clearly outdated. A key piece of evidence it uses is the statement "Perhaps the most inconvenient fact is the lack of global warming for well over 10 years now".

As this article points out, that statement was blown out of the water when 2010 was proven to be the hottest year on record, and as this thread title says, arctic ice is at its lowest level on record.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-01-21/2 ... rd/1913066
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dont make me go and type something else stupid into google just to keep you on your toes :) :) ;)
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