Do you welcome the new NT fishing rules?

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Do you welcome the new NT fishing rules?

Yes
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Re: Do you welcome the new NT fishing rules?

Post by nomad »

good point shaggs, they would get a lot more data

I remember seeing the people doing surveys at at least 4 ramps.
the first thing i thought was that they were coppers checking catch rates.
the bottom line is that any reg needs to be policed. there will always be those who dont give a rats but if they give more scientific data on real survival rates, they would get a lot more people on board


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shaggs wrote:NBN and AFANT

When are you blokes going to catch up with modern technology and put your proposals out over the net so as everyone gets to have a say and not just the elected few at a meeting in one night.
Everyone can get to have a vote over the net not just a show of hands of those there and then call that an overwhelming majority of rec anglers because it's not
Do you think every one that fishes lives in the city and can make it to your meeting or is that just convenient for the selective few
You know this could be a lot easier and more convenient for people over the net and you would get a better perspective of the views of the little people out there
I ask you "Is this what you really want" The views and thoughts of everyone that fishes or just the views of a very small minority that will be at your meeting
I ask you " Who do you really think your kidding
I'm all for the conservation of fish stocks and I was there when it all started and a lot of the young sports fishermen/women of today were not even born
With todays technology you can get a better response to what you want to know and what you want to hear but you certainly don't look like that is what you want
You wont see me at your meeting I will abide by what ever goes through because it's law but I do believe me going to your meeting wont make the slightest bit of difference to whatever has already been pre selected
Come on here and bag me when you pull your head out of the seventies and catch up with the modern era

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It seems I’ve given you the wrong impression; I have nothing to do with AFANT or Fisheries. I love fishing (that’s why I’m on this site) and so have a very keen interest in fisheries management. Looking back at my comments to GHound I can see how this assumption was made.
To me ‘getting involved’ means having a say and participating in a process. Attending an AFANT meeting is one avenue for participating. Attending the AGM will not change the new rules, that opportunity has passed. Gaining an appreciation of how they arrived at the new rules is the takeout for the meeting by the looks of it. Great idea having an online submission platform, you’re correct it has the potential to gather a wider cross section of opinions and desires. I believe the ability to make a submission to Fisheries was available on line at the appropriate time?
Again, I have no affiliation with AFANT – I don’t even know anyone involved with them, but I reckon people who are prepared to give up their time to strive for a better outcome, a very worthwhile outcome deserve our respect and support. At the very least our input.
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nomad wrote:good point shaggs, they would get a lot more data

I remember seeing the people doing surveys at at least 4 ramps.
the first thing i thought was that they were coppers checking catch rates.
the bottom line is that any reg needs to be policed. there will always be those who dont give a rats but if they give more scientific data on real survival rates, they would get a lot more people on board


Have afant ever conducted their own surveys at ramps????
The only fishing surveys I'm aware of of late have been conducted
by Carndo (ie Inpex project).

Ramp surveys are never accurate, theres always a high number of people
who say they catch nothing to protect their fishing spots etc (and rightly so)
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Primary data collection was a phone survey NT FISHERIES told me.
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AM wrote:Primary data collection was a phone survey NT FISHERIES told me.
Of which less than 1% of those asked got the current limit and less than 5% got the proposed one.
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Hemi wrote:

Have afant ever conducted their own surveys at ramps????
ive no idea - why not ask them?

edited - afant agm will discuss reef regs
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nomad wrote:
Hemi wrote:

Have afant ever conducted their own surveys at ramps????
ive no idea - why not ask them?

as for the people going to the afant agm, remember that the agm is really only to elect new committee and not a general mtg where questions are answered.


But afant are saying they will address these issues at the agm nomad, hence why giles and his muppets are going?

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Of which less than 1% of those asked got the current limit and less than 5% got the proposed one.
This goes to what I saying to Dennis. 5% of the fisho's catch 95% fish scenario.
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The only fishing surveys I'm aware of of late have been conducted
by Carndo (ie Inpex project).
And you would think reported catch rates at Middle arm boat ramp wouldn't be truly reflective of Goldie numbers caught.
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Attending an AFANT meeting is one avenue for participating. Attending the AGM will not change the new rules, that opportunity has passed.
This is a problem. 12 months ago ask for submissions. No response no further correspondence and then here you go this is what is implemented.
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responses just like on here

over 700 views, 40 have voted, what makes you think a poll set up via the internet is going to be any different and a lot of people are going to vote on it?
If there is water and it holds fish, then it is fun trying to fool them into eating what you offer!!

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The views on here will be the same people like me coming back to see what others have to say ,exactly what would happen if it was done over the net and then not only would AFANT have a fair idea of what the people wanted everyone else would to
This poll is running neck and neck where we are led to believe afants meeting was an overwhelming majority
This in itself shows you the net works better
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Re: Do you welcome the new NT fishing rules?

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Simple problem is that it doesn't actually stop the vulnerable species being taken or killed. It just makes you change tactics if you want more fish. Fish closer, more often, with more kids and upgrade the catch. All of the above except the upgrading I'm happy with. Under the new rules I could easily (theoretically) catch 10 times more fish than I do now.

Something has to be done but it annoys me that "new rules have to be implemented" to save the fish. But in a few years time they have to be changed again because they don't work as promised. The rules themselves don't annoy me that much, the failure does.

The strange parts I find are:
- Charles point closure, I overlaid it on my Google earth and none of my dozens of marks I got from other 'reliable source's' are in the closed area, they are all around it. I rarely fish CP and haven't tried 95% of these marks. Is the closed area in need of protecting or is it a 'compromise'. Or maybe I've been led up the garden path.

Pilchards limit. - if I have a few kg's of frozen WA pilchards am I exceeding my bag limit.

Why put a limit of 5 on fish that are not in need of protection.

Why is there (always been) a limit of 3 sharks. I think most people would say there no shortage of them. I don't know of too many people that keep shark. I got 2 nice black tips yesterday but chucked them back. Might have to start keeping them.

catffish have a limit of 5................that's just weird......
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The 3 shark law was brought in to keep the greenies happy. There is a problem world wide with numbers of sharks being decimated. Fortunately the NT doesn't have that problem. It also stops illegal sales of fin.

Is there a pilchard limit????? You can have bait species in your posession as long as they are not a managed species ect. They arent counted in a 15 fish limit or the 5 of one species.

The 5 of one species is a poop rule. I think 10 of one species may have been more acceptable but 5 is too stringent and isn't really possible with out throwing back heaps of dead flag, trickies and other prevelant pest fish.
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And the charles point zone missed one big area for the Jewies breeding zone but I think the other one just made it in. I would have top have a second look to be sure though.
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