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Geez

I thought we could argue until at least the new Year. At least with us all p...ed tommorrow should save the jewies over at Charles being raped for the day.

Have a good Xmas guys

Ghound

i know bugger all about fishing in the top end i'm new to here spending basically my whole life to now on the east coast....i'm on here to learn and have done so a fair bit thanks everyone who gives tips so freely


I'd give my left nut to have had something like this topic and chance at saving fish stocks available when i was a kid

try and have a fishing holiday in qld....travel from cairns to say rocky...try and catch a jewie of any size or number and while you're at it throw in goldies and barra jacks etc etc i bet the best of you'll come up with waaaaayyyyy more zero catch days (we'll leave impoundment fishing out ok) than you'll ever get around here and I'd say the reason for that is lack of action say from 1975 to 1990 argue all you want about types of hooks and people doing the wrong thing but something will have to be done...darwins going to continue to grow people will continue to buy boats and take up fishing as a past time...and who'd knock em? it's the best thing ever to do with your kids

if there's a recognized season for jewies spawning as well as goldies then there's gotta be a window for them to do it.... nobody whines like a 2 year old because the Mary and Daly has closed times...maybe they did when it was first brought into play, I guess it was before this forum existed...but you all got over it obviously?


maybe we gotta think what's it's going to be like in 2040 and our kids have boats (with or without f##king rego) what are they going to catch?
my 2 cents worth
merry christmas to all

On a side note I would like to see real fotage of what comes out of a pro net or trawl net and ask have fisheries ever gone out on trips to see what impact if any these boats do first hand?

Gday Walkabout - There was a detailed study on trawlers many years ago. From memory the bycatch was about 12 dead marine critters for every prawn harvested.

itsinmeblood wrote:i know bugger all about fishing in the top end i'm new to here spending basically my whole life to now on the east coast....i'm on here to learn and have done so a fair bit thanks everyone who gives tips so freely


I'd give my left nut to have had something like this topic and chance at saving fish stocks available when i was a kid

try and have a fishing holiday in qld....travel from cairns to say rocky...try and catch a jewie of any size or number and while you're at it throw in goldies and barra jacks etc etc i bet the best of you'll come up with waaaaayyyyy more zero catch days (we'll leave impoundment fishing out ok) than you'll ever get around here and I'd say the reason for that is lack of action say from 1975 to 1990 argue all you want about types of hooks and people doing the wrong thing but something will have to be done...darwins going to continue to grow people will continue to buy boats and take up fishing as a past time...and who'd knock em? it's the best thing ever to do with your kids

if there's a recognized season for jewies spawning as well as goldies then there's gotta be a window for them to do it.... nobody whines like a 2 year old because the Mary and Daly has closed times...maybe they did when it was first brought into play, I guess it was before this forum existed...but you all got over it obviously?


maybe we gotta think what's it's going to be like in 2040 and our kids have boats (with or without f##king rego) what are they going to catch?
my 2 cents worth
merry christmas to all

the way the housing market is going our kids will be liveing in boats its bl..dy unreal

Matt Flynn wrote:

On a side note I would like to see real fotage of what comes out of a pro net or trawl net and ask have fisheries ever gone out on trips to see what impact if any these boats do first hand?

Gday Walkabout - There was a detailed study on trawlers many years ago. From memory the bycatch was about 12 dead marine critters for every prawn harvested.

Thats increadible data. Wounder wether the ratio changed much with the introduction of the excluder rings and such. I would guess not as majority of critters would only be the size of the prawns.

Amazing that not too much is said about the trawlers and their damage. Probably a good starting point to push them away further out of fog bay and away from lorna shoals and Loee patches and all.

Lets see who I can up set with this comment!

cuddlescooper wrote:

Matt Flynn wrote:

On a side note I would like to see real fotage of what comes out of a pro net or trawl net and ask have fisheries ever gone out on trips to see what impact if any these boats do first hand?

Gday Walkabout - There was a detailed study on trawlers many years ago. From memory the bycatch was about 12 dead marine critters for every prawn harvested.

Thats increadible data. Wounder wether the ratio changed much with the introduction of the excluder rings and such. I would guess not as majority of critters would only be the size of the prawns.

Amazing that not too much is said about the trawlers and their damage. Probably a good starting point to push them away further out of fog bay and away from lorna shoals and Loee patches and all.

Lets see who I can up set with this comment!

so all ya needed to see was one small figure and know ya agree with me that we frig off the pros and problem solved
ge that was easy
but in all seriousness them figures are incredible and people need to know figures like these before they worry about lowering recreational limits
when pros can kill and waste this many fish and thats ok as its there bi catch or whatever it is when they arent allowed to keep it and it goes back over the side go figure eh yet we wanna decrease recreational fishing limits

So what on my thoughts of a rec fishing study that we as fisherman can undertake on the Mary river system this runoff? It would be a good start to building a case for pushing out pros. Then we could move on to the reefs off darwin next.
I have been to very remote places and pushing pros far and wide is not the answer. It just moves it out of sight.
Look anywhere around the world and over fishing proves unsustainable.

Do prawn trawlers fish in Fogg Ba????
Unfortunatley I have seen up close what damage these boats do not pretty at all.

Its fine if we as amatuers are asked to cut our limits but while whilst commercial, charters and netting are able to go on seems like a waste of time.

Sort of like getting a haircut for a date with a super model. Wont help Jack poop if you rock up with 10 bucks in your pocket driving mums Barina

Ghound

itsinmeblood wrote:i... nobody whines like a 2 year old because the Mary and Daly has closed times...maybe they did when it was first brought into play, I guess it was before this forum existed...but you all got over it obviously?


merry christmas to all

It should be remembered that the shady slosure was NEVER done to preserve fish stocks as such or for any scientific reason...it was a trade off to get some nets sizes removed

Ghound-Trawlers certainly do work around fog bay and bowra shoals and long lost a lot. Im not sure on how far into the bay they are allowed but I believe they are allowed as close in as they want apart from the net closures area off the Finis but I could be wrong

Doug- As for pushing them wider I wouldnt say it is a perfect solution in any means but it would benifit the amature angler and the area around Darwin in the fact it doesnt ruin the grounds around the shoals so badly and it allows the already juvinile and under pressure DARWIN stocks to get a grip again. It wouldnt solve the pillaging of the oceans but mearly give the local area that we already put a lot of pressure on a chance to reform itself if we played our part as amatures as well. It is basically a patch untill we can fix the whole problem properly and that would take restrictions from all sectors of fishing not just commercial. And I would beg to say that trawlers would be by far the worse because it is obviously indescriminate in the way it fishes pulling every form of juvinile and adult fish there is out of the sea. In a perfect world we would get rid of them but I cant see that happening in a real hurry and that is another argument.

Doug All in all I dont disagree completly with your argument and never have but it doesnt stop the pilaging of the oceans by all sectors of fishing population. One sector is the amatures which is what the discussion paper is about. I beleive and it is a personel oppinion that change starts with the individual not someone else. We can easily play our part becuase we have the power to change if we want and work on change for the rest when we have our side under control. Surely the fisheries figures on fish numbers taken are valid enouth proof that amatures do our fair share of damage.

As for net removal of chambers bay I would agree with. Or at least net reduction. It is one of the heaviest fished areas and is only going to get hit harder. Pay Dominic out and solve the problem. Once he is gone put a net closure and block anyone else from moving into the area. Maybe put a fishing licence fee on every client of $20 on charters and gather the money for it like that. -Just a suggestion.

2rods wrote:[

It should be remembered that the shady slosure was NEVER done to preserve fish stocks as such or for any scientific reason...it was a trade off to get some nets sizes removed

I knew it was a trade off but was it not to stop the pros from fishing the sporning run of the big barra. I was told that the pros agreed to stop fishing this time as long as the amatures stopped as well. Does that not preserve fish stocks or am I wrong again!

I shouldnt take up arguments like this but nobody likes me anyway, so put it out their!

CS...get over yourself its christmas.....

The closure does help fish stocks no doubt.. but most people don't know why it was put it that all...and it was (as far as I know) nothing to do with a "we will stop if they will stop" deal.... it was to remove 7" netts I think..but not 100% sure

I can tell you what the fishing will be like in 2040. It will be cr.p.
Barra are pretty resilent, pelagics will be OK but reefies will be slaughtered. We'll be oogling over little trevally as a good day out.
I hope we get rid of pro nets and the charter boys but you can't be serious if you think that rec fishing doesn't have a big impact within 200km of Darwin. There won't be anywhere left in Oz near a city where you can catch an easy fish.
It's already been played out everywhere else in the country. Sleepy ol Darwin is just catching up. Inpex will be another nail. Catch and kill as many fish a you can now- while you still have a chance....I have just upgraded to a bigger boat before its too late.

Geez Moz Merry bl..dy Xmas

Think I might just go slit my wrists and be done with it

Don't worry ghound. The 2040 FF mag will have a special on the secret hotspots for pikey bream. The title will be like "Harbour Pikey hotspots- secrets revealed. Wily Kilo monsters tempted on 1 lb braid and size 16 hooks."