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AM wrote:That has torn it Im not staying out of it now.

What did you tear AM? Maybe an ulcer? So much anger.

AM wrote:I say, old chap how reasonable of you to relinquish on the live baiting issue ( what ever that is)

I thought the issue with live bait was; cruelty to the bait and gut hooking huge fish making them unlikely to be released (could be wrong) and just mentioned that I could see them. I don't really care about this part of the code at all.

AM wrote:and let the general public dangle a peice of squid ( as long as it has a been sinker and a wears a 5/0 hook) I guess they probaly wont hurt any Barra anyway on squid so who cares,

Semantics again? Taking a joke seriously? Obviously I was kidding about using a piece of squid as a lure. Barra readily take dead baits, the only metery I've seen this year was on a piece of squid, 20lb hand line, 4/0 hook and running sinker.

AM wrote:and well done on your personal limit re the threadys, good show there, what.

I have no personal limit on threadies, I mentioned specifically that I have no limit on them and was surprised to see they put one in, I merely pointed out that I could live with it.

AM wrote:Have you posted this from from a lodge somwhere while sipping your G & T with straight stemmed pipe in mouth , resplendant in your cravat and deck shoes.

I've never stayed anywhere fancier then a highway motor lodge and never had a G&T. The pettiness of your arguments weakens everything you say. What made you think this anyway? I'm curious. Was it my grammar? I can type differently if it makes you more comfortable, just let me know. I'll stop using spaces and paragraphs with my honest thoughts and just put up a large wall of vitriolic tripe with as many throw away one liners as I can fit in.

AM wrote:I have driven out for a look at Shady Camp twice in 11 years and as every year passes couldnt think of a less likely pace to go for a fish, enjoy it and leave me and the rest of the colonials to some peace and quiet elsewhere.

Did you really just have a tantrum about a spot you never fish? Talk about terrified of change, that's nearly pathological.

AM wrote:I have re read this twice and cut it back I am still gob smacked by this condasending rubbish, but as they say on Australia Day its a free and interesting country.

Thanks for being so tolerant of people having a differing opinion to yours. You're an amazing freedom fighter out there protecting freedom of speech, what an outstanding citizen you are.



haha

Wow, just had a look at the AFANT web site
and guess who is first corperate
sponsorof the rank....Alvey superior
reels, they mightent be all bad after
all. They set the bar pretty high do we
have any sponsers yet Jimmy.

No anger passenger, sarcasm yes, anger no.
Thanks for the kind words.

cruelty to baitfish , Wat is our world coming to

I would not have a problem with a crow bar sized hook put threw my back and hung of adelaide river bridge

ponyplay wrote:cruelty to baitfish , Wat is our world coming to

I would not have a problem with a crow bar sized hook put threw my back and hung of adelaide river bridge

Honestly I feel bad when I step on a roach, I generally catch them and release them into the wild..

passenger279 wrote:

ponyplay wrote:cruelty to baitfish , Wat is our world coming to

I would not have a problem with a crow bar sized hook put threw my back and hung of adelaide river bridge

Honestly I feel bad when I step on a roach, I generally catch them and release them into the wild..

Fair enough each to there own

Passenger

Your obviously a lot more educated than the rest of us.

I don't really care about this part of the code at all.

This is the main crutch of the problem in my eye's. People fail to care unless it directly affects them. Problem with this is more pompus rules and reg's will gradaully slip through as not enough people care. Funnily enough an organisation like AFANT is supposed to do the talking for the silent majority and get thier views accross. It is unfortunate that AFANT seem to have at least one of thier legs firmly entrenched in the FTO camp the AMATUER part of thier association seems to be very much on the wane.

I have no personal limit on threadies, I mentioned specifically that I have no limit on them and was surprised to see they put one in, I merely pointed out that I could live with it.

Tend to agree with you here. And funnily enough I doubt there are to many people full stop that have to much of an issue. Keeping this in mind why even have it in the code of conduct? Seems like someone has seen the need to "bulk up" thier code to make it look like they have taken more than 5 minutes to nut it out

Did you really just have a tantrum about a spot you never fish? Talk about terrified of change, that's nearly pathological

I don't fish in Antartica for whales much either......................... still upsets me beyond belief that it goes on though. Again its the attitude of "it doesn't affect me" which will in the end cost us all.

haha

you are a tool

nah nee nah nee nah nee

jimmy

Maybe, not one of my best late night posts.But Im guessing the hooks on lures and plastic hurt fish too.

you would think 1 hook would be better than 3 lots of trebles????

And soft plastic hooks are the same as a live bait hook in alot of cases

And I would back agood lure fisherman catch more barra and threadies than a good live bait fisherman.

So what is the problem with livebaiting????

If it's a cruelty to the poor old mullet thing surely there has to be some benifit to being top of the food chain

AM wrote:Maybe, not one of my best late night posts.But Im guessing the hooks on lures and plastic hurt fish too.

I agree, even if some new evidence suggests they don't feel pain, they don't seem happy about being man handled and having the hooks removed. I do feel guilty when I fish and VERY guilty if something is gut/gill hooked or hooked through the eye and I generally try to quickly neck the ones that look hurt.

ghound wrote:Passenger

Your obviously a lot more educated than the rest of us.

There's number of doctor's, lawyers, engineers and scientists etc who post here. I'm a nurse and I didn't finish high school, so I'm hardly a rocket surgeon.

ghound wrote:This is the main crutch of the problem in my eye's. People fail to care unless it directly affects them. Problem with this is more pompus rules and reg's will gradaully slip through as not enough people care.

Fair enough and I agree, everyone is out for themselves. I'm on the fence with live bait so I shouldn't just leave live bait fishermen out to dry.

ghound wrote:I don't fish in Antartica for whales much either......................... still upsets me beyond belief that it goes on though. Again its the attitude of "it doesn't affect me" which will in the end cost us all.

I guess I just like change. If they were new ''laws'' I would probably be much more cautious. Considering it's just a code of conduct which I think aims to inform rather then control I feel fine about letting a lot more go through.

To me it's much better then government/police having to make up and then enforce them. Self regulation is fantastic.

And just a FYI; I would eat whale gleefully if it was fished responsibly. I don't see the distinction between animals based on how cute/intelligent/huge they are.

Re: live baiting vs SP's. The main differences are; cruel to mullet, more gut hooking, more likely to catch smaller/not target species. These aren't critical to me and I don't know how I ended up dragging myself into this part of the argument, bah. I have live baited a couple of times in the past year, mostly it's just less effective, boring and messy, the other issues just top it off for me.

Just use circle hooks if your using live bait passenger, or bait in general.

No need to feel so guilty then, as its mostly a hook up in the corner of the mouth.

BenH wrote:Just use circle hooks if your using live bait passenger, or bait in general.

No need to feel so guilty then, as its mostly a hook up in the corner of the mouth.

Yeah, I meant to mention that as another reason why I'm not completely against live baiting, but it gets a bit out of hand answering 15 points in each post , plus I never catch anything live baiting, which is great for conservation.

passenger

Thanks for the post and well considered responses. I agree with you in most (wouldn't eat whale though)
I think the sooner all AMATUER fisherman realise that we are all in this together the better of we all will be.
I realise it is a code of conduct unfortunatly I think if we don't argue the point now this codes will become law in the not to distant future.

Cheers

Jimmy

PS on another note I am sure I know you from somewhere???

ghound wrote:you would think 1 hook would be better than 3 lots of trebles????

And soft plastic hooks are the same as a live bait hook in alot of cases

And I would back agood lure fisherman catch more barra and threadies than a good live bait fisherman.

So what is the problem with livebaiting????

If it's a cruelty to the poor old mullet thing surely there has to be some benifit to being top of the food chain

Well said. This common sense is killing me. I much preferred it when you were just an angry red neck (from Qld but we'll keep that hush hush).

passenger279 wrote:I guess I just like change. If they were new ''laws'' I would probably be much more cautious. Considering it's just a code of conduct which I think aims to inform rather then control I feel fine about letting a lot more go through.

I think the point is responsible rec fishos already fish by a code of etiquette or their own code and as has been said by Jimmy and others, those that don't still won't.

I think it naive to think that this is not a precursor to legislation. Just give it a year or two...and it will be extended to places like the Daly. The fact AFANT was happy to just can the poor old live baiter shows me they don't represent a large group of amateurs, happily squashing their rights and shows that strings are being pulled by groups with a vested interest- hardly representative.
That's cool, just declare it in the name of the organisation. FTO & Coloured shirt Brigade of the NT would do.