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Post Posted: Wed Oct 04, 2017 12:44 pm    Post subject: The Massacre

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Post Posted: Thu Oct 05, 2017 2:40 pm    Post subject: Re: The Massacre

I'm telling you, this wouldn't have happened if there were more guns in American hands.


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Post Posted: Fri Oct 06, 2017 9:33 am    Post subject: Re: The Massacre

It’s so simple to fix, and yet they refuse to. How hard would it be to issue everyone with drones with guns mounted to them, incase this sort of things happens again. Problem Solved.


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Post Posted: Fri Oct 06, 2017 12:44 pm    Post subject: Re: The Massacre

A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.


This is the wording of the oft quoted " right to bear arms" claim under the US Constitution 2nd Amendment.

The right is for the purposes of having a well regulated militia

A person can keep and bear arms for militia purposes.

So the question boils down to "what is militia?"

Most US states used to have militia (eg the Minutemen of years ago).

The US Federal Govt had been given authority by the various States to form a national standing army.

The term militia that remained in various US states was changed to State Militia upon national defence falling under the Federal Govts control to differentiate between the National Army and the militia operated by the respective States.

The US Govt refused to fund militia under State control so the importance of the militia then started to wane.

To satisfy further State complaints to Federal Govt about funding their militia units, the name of the State Militia was changed to the National Guard which put it back under Federal Govt control who then turned on the funding tap again.

Translating the 2nd Amendment "right to bear arms", the argument is now if National Guard is the modern day version of militia.

If so, then people can indeed keep and bear arms for National Guard purposes.

As the 2nd Amendment only refers to arms and that the purposes are for a well regulated militia, then it can only be arms suitable for a well regulated militia/National Guard purposes that can be kept and borne.

And who decides what arms are necessary for a well regulated militia/National Guard?

The militia/National Guard of course.

If the militia/National Guard decided that a well regulated militia included MEMBERS who were allowed to keep at home and bear their militia arms, then they have every right so to do without infringement.

However, if the militia/National Guard said that having MEMBERS who keep militia/National Guard arms at home and bear them does not constitute a well regulated militia then the MEMBERS can't keep and bear the arms.

To me, that 2nd Amendment actually has 2 conditions contained in it.

Firstly that the person has to be a member of a well regulated militia (National Guard); and

Secondly that the well regulated militia has to give permission for a member to take National Guard arms home and bear them around the place.

Allowing members to take the arms home is NOT an indication of a well regulated militia/Natinal Guard.

And who controls policies of the militia/National Guard?

The US Federal Govt.

That's my view about what the US debate is all about.

Who wants to bite the bullet about arms control in the US? pun intended.

Funny how nobody hears much about the militia side of that 2nd amendment.

If its now argued that the National Guard is NOT the modern day version of the militia units, then there is no well regulated militia and consequently no right to keep and bear arms by a person in the US because the reason for exercising that right without infringement no longer exists.

Therefore the right CAN be infringed upon by US Federal gun controls.

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