Cherabin Poachers : cherabin

wonderwobler · Posted: Fri Feb 06, 2009 3:53 pm Post subject: Cherabin Poachers

Firstly a quick English lesson.
Poacher; one who captures game or fish by illicit or UNSPORTSMANLIKE methods, to obtain advantage by unfair means.

Trap; an enclosed or mechanical structure for catching animals affording entrance but not exit and often baited.

Passive; not active, inert, incurring no interest.

One of the poachers most effective tools is a TRAP, baited and left overnight.

With the issue of cherabin TRAPPING a hot topic particularly in the Daly River it is very important that the correct description of the tackle and methods being used is written and spoken.

The TRAPS being used in an UNSPORTSMANLIKE and PASSIVE manner should be banned Territory wide, only attended dilly pots and cast nets should be allowed.
This would solve a few issues;
1. restore the balance of fishing power among anglers.
2. protect a vulnerable fish resource.
3. remove visual pollution.
4. stop me whinging about the issue.

dodgyone · Posted: Fri Feb 06, 2009 4:21 pm Post subject: Re: Cherabin Poachers

wonderwobler wrote:

Firstly a quick English lesson.
Poacher; one who captures game or fish by illicit or UNSPORTSMANLIKE methods, to obtain advantage by unfair means.

Trap; an enclosed or mechanical structure for catching animals affording entrance but not exit and often baited.

Passive; not active, inert, incurring no interest.

One of the poachers most effective tools is a TRAP, baited and left overnight.

With the issue of cherabin TRAPPING a hot topic particularly in the Daly River it is very important that the correct description of the tackle and methods being used is written and spoken.

The TRAPS being used in an UNSPORTSMANLIKE and PASSIVE manner should be banned Territory wide, only attended dilly pots and cast nets should be allowed.
This would solve a few issues;
1. restore the balance of fishing power among anglers.
2. protect a vulnerable fish resource.
3. remove visual pollution.
4. stop me whinging about the issue.

Do you feel the same about crab pots? In WA we are ot allowed to use the collapsable pots are are stuck with just the drop nets being legal. Still get plenty of crabs though to the extend I would say they work faster and are more effective if you are just crabbing.

flicker · Posted: Fri Feb 06, 2009 8:14 pm Post subject: cherabin

such a ban would not save any cherabin from my opera nets, coz I can't bl..dy catch any anyway :banghead:

Cheers Flicker

harmsey · Posted: Fri Feb 06, 2009 8:27 pm Post subject:

yeah i kind of agree but not really.

i quite enjoy running cherabin and crab pots, can be exciting and the kids love it.

and i have said it before but i will say it again i dont see the problem with live baiting. when i fish with the boys i use lures but when i fish with the missus and kids i use live bait. :fishing:

i use circle hooks and get a 95% hookup in the jaw and release more fish then i keep. i think its about time you anti live baiting anti cherabin trapping do gooders get over it. :kiss:

sure there is problems in the daly but banning traps all together is a bit stupid IMHO. :bonk:

dont kid your self thinking you are more sporting just because you dont use cherabin pots :bonk:

Harmsey

Mrs Harty · Posted: Fri Feb 06, 2009 8:59 pm Post subject:

Hi Guys,
I am choosing a seemingly pretty sensitive topic to open my first ever post but what the hell.
I have to agree with Harmsey. I consider myself a fisho that takes pride in sustainability and catch and release, however banning nets/live bait is futile. I believe its about education, and monitoring by responsible fishos.
Chasing the cherabin is great when fun when fishing with kids or people new to the territory. Also, a flicking cherabin on the end of a hook is irrestible to a barra and an exciting way to fish.
Whilst I enjoy it, I do not exploit it. We bait the pots with velvet soap/dog pellets/tuna oils etc... Leave them in for about 1/2 hour a time and always remove them at the end of the day. If the cherabin are around they will find themselves in the net reasonably fast - we catch them primarily for bait and any left over in the bait tank at the end of the day become dinner. :drinking1:

(Or get dropped of at Goat Island Lodge for Kai :wink:

)
As territorians we are always under pressure from visiting southerners to catch them a barra!

Fishing with live cherabin can almost guarantee that fact and ... as always ... its about the sport - the feed is an added bonus.
That's IMHO.
(Ed. note: Had a great day out last year with some southerners on the Adelaide with a few Cherabin pots out.... one of the southy's pulled the pot in and it had a huge file snake in it! :shock:

They are still talking about it! - Classic :smile:

)

SMITHY · Posted: Fri Feb 06, 2009 11:47 pm Post subject:

tempting topic for a rant but i wont :naughty:

as far as cherabin pots go they should only be allowed to be used when checked reguarly and not left in unattended at night.crab pots on the other hand i may leave all day and collect when finished fishing or when we crab thats all we do and once we have enough we go home :mrgreen:

flicker · Posted: Sat Feb 07, 2009 3:08 pm Post subject: pots

Smithy, I don't see any difference between crab pots or cherabin pots, you may like a feed of crabs more than cherabin others may not, they are not all for bait.

Flicker :mrgreen:

wonderwobler · Posted: Mon Feb 09, 2009 3:42 pm Post subject:

harmsey wrote:

yeah i kind of agree but not really.

i quite enjoy running cherabin and crab pots, can be exciting and the kids love it.

and i have said it before but i will say it again i dont see the problem with live baiting. when i fish with the boys i use lures but when i fish with the missus and kids i use live bait. :fishing:

i use circle hooks and get a 95% hookup in the jaw and release more fish then i keep. i think its about time you anti live baiting anti cherabin trapping do gooders get over it. :kiss:

sure there is problems in the daly but banning traps all together is a bit stupid IMHO. :bonk:

dont kid your self thinking you are more sporting just because you dont use cherabin pots :bonk:

Harmsey

You assume far too much, I use live bait on occasion, and as a thinking angler will always support it's legitimate use, to do otherwise is fraught with hazard (sea kitten brigade) I note that you wisely edited your original response for that very reason.
Unfortunately Mrs. Harty as "nice"as your post might read, you expose a fault with these TRAPS, by catch in the form of air breathing animals, in this case a File snake, a species under threat from toads.
I,m sure it was released before it drowned, what happens when they are left unattended overnight?
Mrs. H. also touches on the "guaranteed a Barra" issue, this is the point of the "fishing power" afforded to everyone using TRAPS, if the "guaranteed bait" is so easily caught then the target fish for that bait is under serious pressure, TRAPS enable anyone to catch the fish without effort or skill.

Comparing TRAPS to POTS is like comparing a SET line to a ROD in your hand.

slapper1 · **Barrabucks points on hand:** Locked **Bank:** Locked

get off your soap box wobler and go whinge to the federal goverment about banning traps

harmsey · Posted: Mon Feb 09, 2009 4:41 pm Post subject:

i agree with slapper, you have made only 16 contibutions to this site and each and every single one of them has been political. i think its about time you put up some fishing related stuff and get off your high horse. but i am glad you got a chance to read my response before Matt edited it. maybe you have a hidden agender and your using FFF as your soapbax but it is starting to wear a bit thin WW

2rods · Posted: Mon Feb 09, 2009 5:50 pm Post subject:

YO WW ..... have you got some sort of agender or what???

As for banning cheribin pots??? not sure where your info comes from but it is incorrect.....as far as I know..

Everyone knows that there is a problem with to many cheribin being taken from the Daly.... past threads indicate that... what would you suggest is done about it....

Feel free to PM me if you wish ...I will give you my number and you can call if you want :mrgreen:

bandit · Posted: Mon Feb 09, 2009 7:49 pm Post subject:

[quote="harmsey"].. you have made only 16 contibutions to this site and each and every single one of them has been political. i think its about time you put up some fishing related stuff and get off your high horse. [quote]

:lol:

yeh i feel strongly about this one. but thats the reason ive stayed out of it :drinking1:

have fun bickering lads :lol:

its fun from the sidelines :moon:

ntfishn · Posted: Mon Feb 09, 2009 8:37 pm Post subject:

You crack me up Bandit - That's a first.... You must be getting old or something??? :lol:

noundz · **Barrabucks points on hand:** Locked **Bank:** Locked

Call me a sucker but here I go :mrgreen:

When you say

Quote:

Poacher; one who captures game or fish by illicit or UNSPORTSMANLIKE methods, to obtain advantage by unfair means.

I am sure bait was used before lures, so I guess some one invented lures to gain the "upper hand" over bait users :mrgreen:

............or they were too lazy to catch the bait :twisted:

wonderwobler · Posted: Tue Feb 10, 2009 12:10 am Post subject:

slapper1 wrote:

get off your soap box wobler and go whinge to the federal goverment about banning traps

A state by state responsibility, however there are very well funded and influential organizations whinging to the federal govt. about sport fishermen.
To ignore this threat would be foolish.

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